Thoughts and prayers, and farting to the wind

16 Feb

(Originally posted to a restricted section at MyMedia, so I can’t link)

School shooting in the UK (Dunbane, 1996): guns banned. Guess how many school shootings since? Guess how many ‘regular’ massacres using guns since?

Massacre in Australia (Port Arthur, 1996): guns banned. Guess how many massacres using guns since?

Side effect in both places: the numbers of suicides reduced drastically, partly because most other ways to kill oneself give the suicide enough time to fear pain, to reflect, etc. that many/most call for help before it’s too late, or get other help instead of trying.

208 school shootings in the US since Columbine in 1999: oh, well, mmm…erm…
58 people killed at a night club in Orlando in 2016: oh, well, drinking, and sex, and homosexuals, and…
58 people killed and over EIGHT HUNDRED INJURED while attending a concert in Las Vegas: so tragic, but…well, the second amendment…and freedom…and that’s just the crazies…and…well…nothing can be done
Mass killings by guns (where at least four people are killed by someone using a gun) have increased steadily for years in the US, and gee, wow, the majority of the people killing people with guns are white AND have a history of domestic violence, but let’s point the finger at mental health instead of misogyny, while at the same time eliminating restrictions to own guns for people with mental health issues.

Because ‘freedom’ and ‘the constitution’ and ‘the sacred right to bear arms’ amirite?

FUCK ALL THAT SHIT AND FUCK THAT ATTITUDE.

edited to add: not even two days later, we have reports of a community college locked down for reports of possible gunfire, on the other side of the continent. February 14, Parkland, Florida.

February 17, Des Moines, Washington. update: apparently, this one was a false alarm. Absolutely believable, but untrue.

I am reminded of the children who survive all the human made catastrophes of the past century, how they rise up above their elders apathy and selfishness out of the desperate need of a generation to overcome what the generation before has wrought to them.

Will humanity ever learn?

Further edit:

The orange sack of shit and the NRA are now promoting the idea of arming teachers, based on the unmitigated imbecility of ‘a good guy with a gun will stop the bad guys with guns!’

Here’s what happens to the good guy who happens to be holding a gun when the cops (finally) arrive: he gets his ass shot, ends up in the hospital, and is responsible for his own damn medical bills. Because we don’t live in a Clint Eastwood or Bruce Willis movie.

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14 Responses to “Thoughts and prayers, and farting to the wind”

  1. Helen R-S 19/02/2018 at 7:29 AM #

    As an Aussie, I cannot understand the reluctance of some Americans to give up even some of their guns to try to prevent tragedies like this from happening again. Australia didn’t ban _all_ guns after Port Arthur; it banned automatic and semi-automatic guns, and for the remaining types of guns we have stricter licencing laws with no private sales allowed AFAIK.

    I’m so with you on “FUCK ALL THAT SHIT AND FUCK THAT ATTITUDE.” People’s lives are far more important than being able to own all the guns.

    • azteclady 20/02/2018 at 8:47 AM #

      The thing is that mostly we are asking for guns to be at least as regulated as, say, cars.

      Here, you need a license, your car needs a tag (license), at least basic insurance that covers people you may hurt with your car. Every time a car is sold/re-sold, all those things have to be done for the new owner. If you can’t get insurance, you can’t drive the car. If you can’t get a driver’s license, you can’t drive a car.

      People will still drive without a license, and some will cause accidents, but most, when caught, end up in jail.

      But guns? They are freaking sold every where (hello, Walmart!), and no one tracks them afterwards, and in many states even flags on a background check will not impede a person from buying an AR/AK 57.

      Makes zero sense, and shows the utter lack of empathy that prevails among NRA crowd.

      • Helen R-S 21/02/2018 at 8:17 AM #

        Wanting basic licencing for guns seems perfectly reasonable to me. I find it absolutely mind-boggling that guns can be bought at Walmart.

        I really hope that someday soon progress can be made, despite the NRA.

      • azteclady 21/02/2018 at 10:45 AM #

        Not too long ago, John Crawford III was shot and killed at a Walmart, because he was a black man, and he was carrying a BB gun; because there *are* real rifles sold at the store, the cops thought he was armed, and therefore dangerous.

  2. Sara 25/02/2018 at 7:03 AM #

    PREACH!

    This is an issue that seems so damn simple but since a small minority of nut jobs think they need military grade death machines children are dying and a supposedly democratic nation is talking about arming educators.

    I get so mad that I am incapable of coherent expression. I just find myself spluttering profanity.

  3. Ariel Hudnall 04/03/2018 at 8:07 PM #

    I’m so upset by all of this. As someone who used to teach, the stories coming out of Florida are just horrifying, and bring me to tears all of the time. I also just read an interesting perspective on people trying to correlate mental health to ass shootings from Jim C Hines. (http://www.jimchines.com/2018/03/mass-shootings-and-mental-health/)

    • azteclady 04/03/2018 at 9:10 PM #

      I am past angry over the mental contortions people do to avoid seeing the correlation between domestic violence/misogyny/toxic masculinity and gun violence/mass shootings.

      The data is there, we see this happen all the time, why is it always erased from the equation?

  4. wdgovernor 08/03/2018 at 12:32 PM #

    We need to build a dues paying organization with a membership twice the size of the NRA and fix this country’s sick fascination with guns.

    • azteclady 22/03/2018 at 1:48 PM #

      The MSM needs to take responsibility for continuing to glorify gun culture–see all the tv and movies glorifying gun toting vigilantes as ‘good guys’ and see all the press headlines using NRA talking points when talking about gun massacres.

      We need to vote out all elected officials indebted to the NRA, and then hold those we elect accountable for changing the laws. We did it with cars, safety belts, food, medications, etc.

      And most of the population wants to do it with guns.

  5. Ellen Whitman 22/03/2018 at 1:43 PM #

    Looks like “WDGovernor” from the defunct Lost website found you, too! Any thoughts about if/where posters from the site are gathering?

    • Ellen Whitman 22/03/2018 at 1:47 PM #

      Hmm, it says that my “comment is awaiting moderation.” And it gives my RL name, which you won’t recognize – I posted as Pi-O-My on the Lost website. And, oh yeah, I agree with you about guns needing to be registered and not sold everywhere.

  6. Ellen Whitman 22/03/2018 at 4:29 PM #

    Thanks, Azteclady! I’ve now jumped through all the hoops for “Afterlost” and waiting for an invitation for the (private) reddit! Looking forward to seeing you, and Gov, over there. And I’ll probably do more than lurk over here at HHMY.

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